Becoming Stiff

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Becoming Stiff

Postby jsingh96 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:17 pm

i have heard from many material artists that one should not engage in too much weight lifting because it makes you less flexiable and 'stiff'. they espically say to stay away from bench press.

what are your thoughts on this? that seems like a very traditional outlook on weight lifting, any sense to that tho?
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Re: Becoming Stiff

Postby Canuck Singh » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:52 am

jsingh96 wrote:i have heard from many material artists that one should not engage in too much weight lifting because it makes you less flexiable and 'stiff'. they espically say to stay away from bench press.

what are your thoughts on this? that seems like a very traditional outlook on weight lifting, any sense to that tho?


There is some truth to this statement. Larger muscles do have more neural output and do have a greater increase in tension on their bony attachments. Unbalanced muscle work significantly leads to muscle imbalances. However, this statement is blown out of the water when you see a bodybuilder who can clasp his/her hands on the ground. We know now that muscle length is not only the relationship between the amount of sarcomeres within a muscle, but also the elastic and tensile length of fascia, and most importantly the relationship of neural factors that control muscle length ie. nervous system. Stiffness is something that occurs to joints as a result of 'adhesions' due to lack of range of motion. So by that logic it would naturally follow that if you do not retain a certain amount of flexibility you will lose that flexibility. Therefore, for the most part as most weightlifters don't stretch nearly enough this statement could be true as weightlifters will be more likely to have shortened muscles. However, they are healthier overall, and this can be countered with efficient stretching protocols.
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Re: Becoming Stiff

Postby Matheen » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:07 pm

From experience, this is just a myth. Some (those who don't stretch) bodybuilders do suffer from stiffness but Olympic weightlifters are really, really flexible. Many powerlifters are quite flexible too.

Look at pro-wrestlers (yes, it's fake) and their agility/ flexibility. Or mixed martial artists like the top UFC fighters etc. I wouldn't accuse any of them of being stiff.

There's an excellent DVD called 'Magnificent Mobility' by 2 of the top trainers in the US. Normally expensive but you can download it through some of the on-line torrents for free. Well worth watching.

There are some guys who take the 'old is best' thing too far, especially in Shaster Vidya and other traditional martial-art circles. They forget that there was weight-training in the past too, but it may have been with heavy wooden clubs, carrying people etc rather than barbells and dumbells.
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Re: Becoming Stiff

Postby Canuck Singh » Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:18 am

Matheen wrote:From experience, this is just a myth. Some (those who don't stretch) bodybuilders do suffer from stiffness but Olympic weightlifters are really, really flexible. Many powerlifters are quite flexible too.

Look at pro-wrestlers (yes, it's fake) and their agility/ flexibility. Or mixed martial artists like the top UFC fighters etc. I wouldn't accuse any of them of being stiff.

There's an excellent DVD called 'Magnificent Mobility' by 2 of the top trainers in the US. Normally expensive but you can download it through some of the on-line torrents for free. Well worth watching.

There are some guys who take the 'old is best' thing too far, especially in Shaster Vidya and other traditional martial-art circles. They forget that there was weight-training in the past too, but it may have been with heavy wooden clubs, carrying people etc rather than barbells and dumbells.


It is important to note that studies dating back to 70's (Goldspink et al) clearly show that in shortened muscles there are fewer sarcomeres contributing to the length of the muscle.

In regards to Olympic Lifters, if anyone has trained under a coach they would realize that they in fact complete significant Olympic Lift Specific mobility work. While, as most oly trainees train since childhood they have that 'added flexibility' that comes from specific training over years.

BUt again, it comes down to flexibilty training. A baby, can easily squat to the ground in a 'batak' while most people can not.
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Re: Becoming Stiff

Postby anandikav » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:34 pm

yeah,
i am aggree with you,
i think too much of weigh lifting makes us week
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